And you are completely mistaken about the games borderlands borrowing from having poor pvp. There are two main influences, any FPS, and Diablo. Of course all FPS have PvP elements, and diablo had a huge one as well. So, whether you think diablo’s pvp is poor or not, you can’t deny it is a large part of the game, and didn’t have a negative influence, positive if any. You surely wouldn’t deny that competitive multiplayer in FPS games is poor, since it is the main aspect of most modern day ones.

You know what? lets just end this stupid argument here and let future events decide, agreed?

The game already needs a rebalance. Soldiers suck. Bloodwing 1shots most everyone. Lilith is the strongest class.

There is no reason that the rebalance of the game can’t please both PVP and PVE players. Even if they do need to be seperate, they already are, just like in WoW, so there is no reason that there can’t be two balances to the game, one for pve and one for pvp.

I am not sure why people get worried that putting focus on pvp is going to ruin the rest of the game. All the games that Borderlands borrows from have very substantial focus on PvP, and it makes those games better.

In borderlands Brick will almost always win in duels. Because of this once Borderlands becomes competitive people will beg him to be nerfed. And after that starts people will want OTHER classes to become balanced.

In this game there are obviously overpowered aspects that are really fun while solo playing, in pvp those are suddenly not OK. Then those have to become “balanced.”

One of the things that makes this game so great is that at certain times you can turn into a massive cloud of destruction but you still have to be good to beat the game over all. in pvp you can just choose that time to become that cloud, and now that that cloud is instant win in pvp its no longer ok to have in the game.

And yes, WoW had a massive pvp following, but the changes made to that game for arena reasons caused huge problems with the main focus of the game which was pve. And no matter how much people like to argue, WoW pvp is not very good. It was an after-thought and trying to make that game into a pvp game was like fitting a circular block in a square hole. (people still play wow for raiding, doesn’t mean that’s any good anymore) Trying to fit the Circular peg of Borderlands Action Rpg into the square hole of Competitive fps is the same problem, its possible but you gotta take a whole lot off.

But as of now i guess in-truth my argument is mostly speculation based on past events. But i bet if Borderlands continues to become an esport we will start to see changes made for the wrong reasons.

Not that I think Borderlands is all that similar to WoW at all, but a LOT of people agree that PvP is fun in the game, and with some real support, could make the game more than twice the fun.